Ancestors of Andres and Indrek Valdre

Compiled by Andres Valdre 2000-03. Last updated June 23, 2005.

Numbers after names are Ahnentafel numbers of ancestors.
Italics indicate unconfirmed ancestors.
Women have maiden names.

                 Hans?? #8
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            Artur-Johannes Valdre #4 (1908–1942)
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              |    |                      Wennede-Põllo Hans #288 (~1720 – ?)
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              |    |                 Venedepõlve Jürry #144 (1755 – ?)
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              |    |            Ado Velberg #72 (~1785 – ?)
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              |    |       Jürry Velberg #36 (~1806 – 1862)
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              |    |         |  Marry #73 (~1787 – ?)
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              |    |  Jürri Velberg #18 (1844–1904)
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              |    |    |  Kert #37 (1817 – ?)
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              |  Liso (Liisa) Velberg #9 (1871–1956)
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              |         |            Oki Jaan #152 (1750–1824)
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              |         |       Mats Obermann #76 (1778–1847)
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              |         |         |  Tio #153 (1755–1834)
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              |         |  Jaan Obermann #38 (1801–1895)
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              |         |    |    |            Liho Mäe Jaan #616/#744 (1656–1738) [same person as #744 below]
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              |         |    |    |       Liho Jürri #308 (1690 – ?)
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              |         |    |    |         |  Madle #617/#745 (1666 – ?) [same person as #745 below]
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              |         |    |    |  Jaan Awer #154 (1753–1840)
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              |         |    |    |    |  Kert #309 (1710 – ?)
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              |         |    |  Marri Awer #77 (1781–1847)
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              |         |    |       Kai #155 (1758 – ?)
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              |       Liiso Obermann #19 (1845–1922)
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              |            Marri ... #39 (1810 – ?)
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       Jüri Valdre #2 (1940–1988)
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         |    |                                Kõrbja Linno Hans #640 (~1692 – 1772)
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         |    |                           Kõrbia Linno Matz #320 (~1711 – 1782)
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         |    |                      Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart #160 (1742–1827)
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         |    |                        |    |  Kas(t)na Jürri #642 (~1680 – ?)
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         |    |                        |  Kas(t)na Jürri Madli #321 (~1710 – 1773)
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         |    |                 Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans #80 (1767–1833)
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         |    |                   |    |  Eiliste/Jae (Jõe) Jahn #322 (1711 – ?)
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         |    |                   |  Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann #161 (1744–1815)
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         |    |                   |       Liso #323 (1714 – ?)
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         |    |            Michel Robba #40 (1806 – ?)
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         |    |              |    |  Allikapajo Pert #162 (~1735 – ?)
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         |    |              |  Allikapajo Perti Ann #81 (1764 – ?)
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         |    |              |       Marre #163 (~1730 – ?)
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         |    |       Mihkel Roba (Michel Robba) #20 (1841–1887)
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         |    |         |    |            Tammekenno Thomas #328 (~1695 – 1754)
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         |    |         |    |       Tammekenno Mart #164 (1717–1779)
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         |    |         |    |  Tammekenno Mats #82 (1765–1824)
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         |    |         |    |    |  Mai #165 (~1720 – ?)
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         |    |         |  Madli Blieder #41 (1804 – ?)
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         |    |         |         |  Hans #166 (~1733 – 1800)
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         |    |         |       Saare Ann #83 (1767 – ?)
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         |    |         |            Ann #167 (~1725 – ?)
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         |    |  Taavet Roba #10 (1885–1920)
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         |    |    |    |  Hans Weltson #42 (~1810 – ?)
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         |    |    |  Eva Weltson #21 (1848–1922)
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         |    |    |       Trino #43 (~1815 – ?)
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         |  Linda-Miralda Roba #5 (1912–1997)
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         |         |       Jürri Nietschmann #44 (1792–1857)
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         |         |  Juhhan Nitschmann #22 (1838–1913)
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         |         |    |  Marri #45 (1789–1875)
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         |       Ann Nietsmann #11 (1888–1913)
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         |              |       Jürri Linder #92 (1779–1860)
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         |              |  Jaan Lichfeld #46 (1809–1879)
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         |              |    |    |            Liho Mäe Jaan #744/#616 (1656–1738) [same person as #616 above]
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         |              |    |    |       Liho Michel #372 (1720–1799)
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         |              |    |    |         |  Madle #745/#617 (1666 – ?) [same person as #617 above]
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         |              |    |    |  Matz #186 (1755–1833)
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         |              |    |    |    |  Marri #373 (1718 – ?)
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         |              |    |  Ann #93 (1793–1847)
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         |              |    |       Jüri Ann #187 (1760 – ?)
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         |            Tiina Lichfeld #23 (1850–1916)
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         |                 Kutsari Ann #47 (~1810 – ?)
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Andres Valdre #1 (*1970)
Indrek Valdre #1 (*1975)
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         |                 ? #48 (~1830 – ?)
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         |            Trifon Ivanov #24 (~1860 – >1881)
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         |       Pavel Iivaste #12 (1881–1943)
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         |         |  Anastasia ... #25 (~1855 – ?)
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         |  Nikolai Iivaste #6 (1915–1985)
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         |    |    |  Simeon Ivanov #26 (~1855 – ?)
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         |    |  Jelizaveta Ivanova #13 (1887–1952)
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         |    |         |  Joakim ... #54 (~1830 – ?)
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         |    |       Sofia ... #27 (~1860 – ?)
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       Aime Iivaste #3 (*1946)
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              |                 Herman #112 (~1770 – ?)
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              |            Tönno Hermanssohn #56 (~1800 – <1869)
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              |       Hermann Krisenberg #28 (1828–1884)
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              |         |    |  Körtsi Otto #114 (~1770 – ?)
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              |         |  Körtsi Otto Marri #57 (? – <1869)
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              |  Joosep Kriesenberg #14 (1878–1952)
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              |    |    |       Topsi Hans #116 (~1770 – ?)
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              |    |    |  Mart Tops #58 (1801–1868)
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              |    |  Leno Tops #29 (1844–1896)
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              |    |       Marri #59 (? – 1866)
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            Erna Kriesenberg>Lepandi #7 (1919–2005)
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                   |            Simo Mihkel #120 (~1770 – <1823)
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                   |       Mihkel Wander #60 (1813 – <1883)
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                   |         |  Leno #121 (? – <1823)
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                   |  Johann Wander #30 (1851–1916)
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                   |    |    |       Kasso Hans #244 (~1760 – ?)
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                   |    |    |  Andres Haas #122 (~1790 – >1839)
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                   |    |  Leno Haas #61 (1819 – <1883)
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                   |    |       Kai #123 (? – >1839)
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                 Maria-Katharina Wander #15 (1888–1965)
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                        |       Jürri Saag #124 (1772–1864)
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                        |  Kotlep Saag #62 (1832 – ~1875)
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                        |    |  Maia #125 (? – >1864)
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                    Katta Saag #31 (1863–1935)
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                             |  Jürri Pihlakas #126 (~1810 – ?)
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                           Marri Pihlakas #63 (1838 – <1883)
 



0. Ourselves

Andres Valdre
(#1)

Born September 6, 1970 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare). Son of Jüri Valdre and Aime Iivaste. Married June 18, 1998 in Tallinn Eola Kukk (*1967). No children. He lives in Tallinn.

Indrek Valdre
(#1)

Born April 17, 1975 in Tallinn. Son of Jüri Valdre and Aime Iivaste. Married June 28, 2003 in Tartu Evelin Lokk (*1974). Children: Kristjan Valdre (*1997), Madis Valdre (*2003). He lives in Tallinn.



1. Parents

Jüri Valdre
(#2, father)

Born April 14, 1940 in Tallinn. Son of Artur-Johannes Valdre and Linda Roba. Married June 21, 1969 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare) Aime Iivaste. Children: Andres Valdre (*1970), Indrek Valdre (*1975). Died October 6, 1988 in Tallinn at age 48 of stroke. Buried at the Pärnamäe cemetery, Tallinn.

Profession: civil engineer.
Until marriage lived in Tallinn, Viedemanni 8–4 (during the war at the summercottage in Keava, with his grandmother), then until December 22, 1974 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare), Kalinini (since 1987 Rootsi) 1–40, phone 71-291, then in Tallinn, Tisleri (since 1989 Magasini) 32b–1. 1947–53: Tallinn Secondary School No. 21 (six classes). 1953–54*: Tallinna 7-Class School No. 3 (7th class). 1954–58*: Tallinn Civil Engineer Technical School (Tallinna Ehitustehnikum). 1962–67*: Tallinn Polytechnical Institute (since 1989 Technical University), Industrial and Civil Engineering. 1966–74: worked as civil engineer at Saare MEK, Kingissepa (Kuressaare). 1974–80: worked as civil engineer at ETKVL, Tallinn. 1980–: worked as expert civil engineer at the Civil Engineering Commitee (Ehituskomitee), Tallinn.

Aime Iivaste (Valdre)
(#3, mother)

Born April 4, 1946 in Kuressaare. Daughter of Nikolai Iivaste and Erna Lepandi. Married June 21, 1969 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare)  Jüri Valdre. Children: Andres Valdre (*1970), Indrek Valdre (*1975). Lives in Tallinn.

Profession: pharmacist.
1953–64*: Kingissepa Secondary School No. 1. 1964–69*: Tartu State University (since 1989 Tartu University), Pharmacy.



2. Grandparents

Artur-Johannes Valdre
(#4, father's father)

Born May 4, 1908 in Paluküla, Ingliste commune, Harjumaa county (now Kehtna commune, Rapla county). Son of Hans (?) and Liisa Velberg. Married October 26, 1935 in Tallinn (at Jaani church?) Linda-Miralda Roba. In 1937 changed his last name to Valdre. One child: Jüri Valdre (1940–1988). Died February 10, 1942 in Limenda, near Kotlas, Archangel Region, Russia of exhaustion ("pneumonia") at age 33, buried probably there as well.

Profession: tailor.
Until Feb 15, 1937 Artur-Johannes Velberg (Riigi Teataja Lisa 1937, No. 25, p. 1354).
Lived in Lihu (Kaiu commune, Harjumaa (now Raplamaa) county), then (perhaps since 1924) in Tallinn (possibly went to primary school in Tallinn): at first at Pärnu Rd. 84–9 (still in 1940), then Ahju 11–3 (1941). Income of 1939: 3969.29 kroons (£221, $1084 or RM 2700 in 1936 currency). Probably worked in summer 1941 at the A.M.Luther furniture factory, Tallinn as a worker (salary 400 roubles a month).
Was mobilized to the Red Army on July 27, 1941 and left Tallinn in the evening of July 28th, with the first train of the mobilized men. At 5 o'clock a.m. on July 29th, their train passed through Narva (according to a quite optimistic postcard sent by him; the postcard had been obviously thrown out of the wagon window); then they were taken to the Kotlas area (another postcard mailed from Tikhvin on August 7, 1941 tells about increasing pessimism). Died at a forestry forced labour column (the 109th forced labour column was situated in Limenda, and the 109th and 117th in Kotlas) in exhaustion (or pneumonia, according to the official death certificate, issued at his wife's request after the war in 1945). According to family tradition, he died in the Limenda hospital near Kotlas (the placename on the death certificate is illegible); a handwritten note on the back side of his family photo tells that he died already "on January 17, 1942 at 4.15 a.m. in Nerchuga" [Nertsog?]. Nearly all Estonians who were at the Limenda hospital at the time were killed by an infection, possibly enteric (the hospital did not have facilities for infectious diseases).
If he had stayed in Estonia, he would have possibly not survived the German occupation: his entry in the list of people wanted by the German occupation authorities, compiled in 1941/42 is about three times longer than his brother's (Rudolf-Nikolai Valdre); Rudolf stayed in Estonia, was caught and eventually shot. However, I do not know how credible the information in that list was.
In 1998 the huge cemetery of Limenda with its thousands of anonymous graves was turned to a memorial, and a small monument erected, commemorating, among others, the memory of the foreigners who died there.

Linda Roba (Valdre)
(#5, father's mother)

Born January 24, 1912 in Paluküla (probably at Hiietaga farm), Ingliste commune, Harju county. Daughter of Taavet Roba and Ann Nietsmann. Married October 26, 1935 in Tallinn (at Jaani church?) Artur-Johannes Velberg (Valdre). In 1937 changed her given names (omitted her original middle name Miralda) and her married name to Valdre. One child: Jüri Valdre (1940–1988). Died March 14, 1997 in Tallinn at age 85. Buried at the Pärnamäe cemetery, Tallinn.

Profession: saleslady.
Until Feb 15, 1937 Linda-Miralda Velberg (Riigi Teataja Lisa 1937, No. 25, p. 1344).
Always told that she had been born in Paluküla at Kunilepa farm, although her parents were living at Hiietaga farm and other people (distant relatives) lived at Kunilepa. In 1922 one of the most remarkable Iron Age "treasures" of Estonia (the Paluküla "treasure") was found from a field of the Kunilepa farm, dating back to about 9th century and containing numerous swords, spearheads, ornaments etc.
After the death of her father she lived briefly at her aunt's place in Tallinn, then at the orphanage of the Estonian Society of Raising Children in Tallinn (TELS=Tallinna Eesti Lastekasvatuse Selts) at Lennuki 11 (already in 1922 and still in 1931),  in summers at the children's camp in Tabasalu; after marrying, at Pärnu Rd. 84–9, in 1941–44 at Ahju 11–3 (burned up during the March Raid (Märtsirünnak) on March 9, 1944). Since 1944 lived at Viedemanni 4–8 in Kadriorg, Tallinn (in summer 1944 possibly at Narva Rd. 21–1), since autumn 1975 at Vilde tee 57–26.
1922?-26*: Tallinn Primary School No. 5 [the building burned up on March 9, 1944]. 1926-29*: Tallinn Commercial School (Tallinna Tütarlaste Kommertskool). 1930: trainee at a bank in Tallinn (Pikalaenu Pank) [the building burned up on March 9, 1944 but was later restored]. 1933–34: packer at the confectionery factory Riola in Tallinn, then (since May 1933?) salesgirl at its outlet shop. (Note: in 1934–70 she worked in one and the same grocery which merely changed its name.) 1934–40: saleslady at the shop of Customers' Union Oma. 1940, Nov 1, 1941–June 30, 1945: saleslady at the shop of Tallinn Customer's Cooperative. 1944: saleslady at the shop of Construction Trust TV 6, Tallinn. 1947–50: saleslady at the shop No. 45 of Tallinn Grocery Shops (Tallinna Toidukaubastu). 1950–59: same at its shop No. 7. Salary: 370 roubles/month (1950), 396 roubles/month (1952); pension of the widow of a Red Army member (1944–56) 140 roubles/month. 1959–67: saleslady at the grocery shop Pärnu. Salary: 990 roubles/year (1964), 1071 roubles/year (1965), 1138 roubles/year (1966). 1967–70: saleslady at the grocery shop Sakala (1968 a couple of months retired). Salary: 1059 roubles/year (1967), 887.76 roubles/year (1968). 1970: retired for a couple of months. 1970–Dec 31, 1975: saleslady at the confectionery shop Kalev. 1976–: retired.
April–June 1974: best saleslady of the Estonian SSR.
Until her death, she had very close relations with her childhood friends from the orphanage and summer camp.

Nikolai Iivaste
(#6, mother's father)

Born November 5, 1915 in Narva. Son of Pavel Iivaste and Jelizaveta Ivanova. In 1935 changed his family name from Ivanov to Iivaste. Married April 10, 1939 at Peetri Church, Narva Erna Lepandi (formerly Kriesenberg). Children: Rein Iivaste (1941–2015), Aime Iivaste (Valdre) (*1946). Died June 4, 1985 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare) at age 69. Buried at Kudjape cemetery, Kuressaare.

Profession: driver and driving teacher.
Until 1936 Nikolai Ivanov.
His parents lived in Narva at Moonaladu 2 (where he met his wife), later (when married) he lived at Kiriku St. and, during the war, in several places in Narva. He graduated the metal-working branch of the Industrial School of Narva (Narva Tööstuskool). Before the war, he worked in Narva as the British consul's driver. Served his National Service in Tallinn at the Car and Tank Regiment (Auto-Tanki Rügement). During the German occupation in Estonia (1941-44), was in jail from Dec 9, 1941 to early 1942, for being suspected to be a Communist (which he was not; later the authorities apologized for his imprisonment) where he got infected with "spotted" typhus. In January 1944 evacuated, with his family, from Narva at first to Rakvere [where the family repossessed their cupboard which they had abandoned in Narva and which had "mysteriously" relocated itself to a freight car at the station of Rakvere, as the story goes], then to Tallinn where they briefly stayed at his wife's aunt's (married name Mrs. Linda Mets) place at Telliskivi St. 10-6, then in Pääsküla, and still later in Spring 1944 to Kuressaare, Saaremaa (Suur-Sadama 12–2, phone 41-168). In autumn 1944 they almost escaped to Sweden (they had arranged the places in a boat), but stayed as his mother did not want to leave. After the war he worked as a truck driver and, until retiring in 1975, as driving teacher at the local vocational school in Kuressaare (26. Kutsekool, later 26. Kutsekeskkool). In 1974 moved to a new apartment in J. Smuuli 3-29. In 1977 suffered from a heart attack, was flown to Tartu for heart surgery where a pacemaker was installed. In 1981 the pacemaker's battery needed replacement, but he refused from it.
He excellently mixed with all kind of people, following his principle that friends are not chosen after their political views. Was sometimes jokingly called "The Manager of Saaremaa" for his size.

Erna Lepandi (Iivaste)
(#7, mother's mother)

Born April 15 [official documents mistakenly give it as April 2], 1919 in Narva. Daughter of Joosep Kriesenberg and Maria-Katharina Wander. In 1936 changed her family name to Lepandi. Married April 10, 1939 at Peetri church, Narva Nikolai Iivaste (formerly Ivanov). Children: Rein Iivaste (1941–2015), Aime Iivaste (Valdre) (*1946). Died May 8, 2005 in Kuressaare at age 86. Buried at Kudjape cemetery, Kuressaare.

Profession: bookkeeper.
Official documents, including the name change notice and the pre-1940 family records, gve the birth date errorneously as April 2nd. Original maiden name Krisesenberg (occasionally spelt "Krisenberg"), after July 3, 1936 Lepandi. (The reason for hers and her sister Leida's name change was that the headmaster of their secondary school had asked them, "Why do you have German last names? Are you German?")
Spent the first five years of her life (until 1924) at the farm where her father had been born and where her aunt lived at the time. In ca. 1937 graduated from the home economics vocational school (Women's Vocational School of Narva, at Moonaladu 2), this was also the place where she met her future husband (his father was the caretaker of the school at the time). After marrying lived in Narva in Kiriku St (until 1941?), then briefly at a number of other addresses, like near the Pimeaed bastion in Koidula St, or in Vestervalli St – their family seemed to move out from each place shortly before each house was bombed. (The house at Koidula St. received a direct hit with a small bomb in January 1942, but luckily no one was injured, as the bomb exploded against the top of its enormously thick wall.) After a neighbouring house was destroyed in a bomb raid, the family lived for some time in Riigiküla, about 10 km from the city. When Narva was evacuated, the family moved first to Jõhvi, then to Rakvere and Tallinn, after that to Kuressaare. Until 1974 lived in Kuressaare at Suur-Sadama 4, then at J. Smuuli 3-29 (tel. 4555809). After the war worked until her retirement in the utility car park as bookkeeper, later as the empty bottles store keeper at the Varma brewery, in the 1980s briefly as the receptionist at the glassware recycling shop of the Tooma supermarket and as a cleaning lady of the boarding house of what is now the Kuressaare Ühisgümnaasium secondary school.



3. Great-grandparents
Hans(?)
(#8, father's father's father)

The identity of the father of my grandfather has been a mystery, as his mother was a single mother and all documents which had to include his father's name, cited his mother's instead. There has been a number of speculations who my great-grandfather might have been. Recently I discovered, however, one document from 1941/42 (list of people wanted by the German occupation authorities), which cites my grandfather's father's first name as Hans.
Hans was an extremely popular name one hundred years ago in Estonia, and so it does not make the situation any better.
On the other hand, it supports one of the suspicions about the great-grandfather's identity: he might have been Hans Linder (1887-1964; after 1935 Hans Lindre) from the Mihkle farm in Lihu. The main facts supporting this is that my great-grandmother lived and worked at Mihkle as a maid for decades, and that H.L. was single at the time; another fact is that my grandfather was strickingly similar to some people more closely related to the Linders at Mihkle. Also, in at least 1938-39 Hans was one of the most frequent customers of my grandfather (who was a tailor), and perhaps the only one outside of Tallinn where my grandfather lived. This is, of course, another speculation; nearly one hundred years has passed and there is no one to ask anymore. After all, the patronym Hans might have been just a misinterpretation of my grandfather's middle name Johannes.
Hans 'Ants' Linder>Lindre was a great-grandson of Jürri Linder (his grandfather had been Jürri's third son Hans). In ca. 1920 he married Amalie-Rosalie 'Malje' Krabbi (1891-1952?) and had two children with her, Helga Linder>Lindre (1922-1938) and Erich Linder (1927-1927). Ants was the last owner of the Mihkle farm, it burnt down while he was a political prisoner in the mid-1950's. Only the former house for farm hands and some remains of other buildings are all what is left of the Mihkle farm now.

Liso (Liisa) Velberg
(#9, father's father's mother)

Born February 2, 1871 (probably at Venepõlve-Altpere, Paluküla, Juuru parish). Daughter of Jürri Velberg and Liso Obermann. Children: Hans Velberg (1894-1895), Jüri Velberg (1896 - after 1921), Rudolf-Nikolai Valdre (1898–1942; formerly Velberg) and Artur-Johannes Valdre (1908–1942). Died August 14, 1956 in Keava, Kehtna commune, Rapla county at age 85 of stroke. Buried at the new cemetery in Juuru.

Lived in Paluküla (Ingliste commune, Harju county), later in Lihu (Kaiu, later Juuru commune, Harju county), then at her youngest son's place in Tallinn and at his summercottage in Keava.

Taavet Roba
(#10, father's mother's father)

Born January 1, 1885 at Täisalu farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish, Harju county. Son of Mihkel Roba and Eva Weltson. Lived in Paluküla at Hiietaguse farm. Married Febuary 20, 1908 in Juuru Ann Nietsmann. Children: Oskar M. Roba (1909–1927) and Linda-Miralda (later Linda) Roba (Valdre) (1912–1997). After Ann's death re-married in February 1914 in Lelle Anna Väljaots (1885–1920); children: Johanna Roba (Kahl) (1914–1983) and Ermil Roba (later Eino Ehala; 1917–1953). Died February 19, 1920 at age 35 of the influentia pandemic ("the Spanish flu"). Buried at Lelle cemetery (the nameplate of the cross or the cross itself has been lost). Was buried on the same day as his second wife (who was buried in Juuru). At least 54 descendants in 5 generations.

Profession: tailor.
Was Greek Orthodox (his both wives were Lutheran).
Liked to play practical jokes, like sewing some clothing items together if their wearer happened to stand too close to his sewing machine, or frightening children.

Ann Nietsmann (Roba)
(#11, father's mother's mother)

Born April 21, 1888 at Hiietaguse farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish. Daughter of Juhhan Nietschmann (Nitschmann) and Tiina Lichfeld. Married Febuary 20, 1908 in Juuru Taavet Roba. Lived in Paluküla at Hiietaguse farm. Children: Oskar M. Roba (1909–1927; the registry of births at the Juuru parish has a handwritten note by Ann that her children should be baptised to the Lutheran faith, not Greek Orthodox) ja Linda-Miralda (later Linda) Roba (Valdre) (1912–1997). Died April 5, 1913 at age 24 of tuberculosis. Buried at the old cemetery in Juuru (the nameplate of the cross is lost).

Pavel Iivaste
(#12, mother's father's father)

Born February 4, 1881 in Narva. Son of Trifon Ivanov and Anastasia .... Married October 27, 1912 in Narva Jelizaveta Ivanova. In 1935 changed his family name to Iivaste. Children: Leonid Ivanov (1908-1919), Aleksander Iivaste/Ivaste (1913–1969), Nikolai Iivaste (1915–1985) and Lüdmila Ivanova (1921–1929). Died March 1, 1943 in Narva at age 62 of an infectious disease. Buried at the Jaanilinn (Ivangorod) cemetery in Narva (cemetery possibly destroyed).

Profession: clerk at the Kreenholm Manufacture (for 42 years), later (in the 1930's) caretaker of the Women's Vocational School (Naiskutsekool), Moonaladu 2, Narva (he and his family lived in the caretaker's apartment there).

Jelizaveta Ivanova (Ivanova/Iivaste)
(#13, mother's father's mother)

Born May 9, 1887 in Narva. Daughter of Simeon Ivanov and Sofia .... Married October 27, 1912 in Narva Pavel Ivanov (Iivaste). In 1935 changed her married name [which coincided with her maiden name!] to Iivaste. After evacuating from Narva in 1944 lived at her younger son's place in Kuressaare. Children: Leonid Ivanov (1908-1919), Aleksander Iivaste/Ivaste (1913–1969), Nikolai Iivaste (1915–1985) and Lüdmila Ivanova (1921–1929). Died on January 11, 1952 in Kuressaare at age 64. Buried at the Kudjape cemetery in Kuressaare.

Profession: dressmaker.
Lived in Narva at Moonaladu 2, after evacuating from Narva in 1944 she lived in Kuressaare at her younger son's place.

Joosep Kriesenberg/Krisenberg
(#14, mother's mother's father)

Born on July 10 (date on his tombstone is July 11), 1878 in Rastla village, Äntu manor, Vao commune (Väike-Maarja parish, Viru county). Son of Hermann Krisenberg and Leno Tops. Left to Narva in 1904. Until 1941 lived in Uusküla, Narva. Married September 2, 1906 in Narva Maria Wander. After evacuating from Narva in 1944 he lived in Lüganuse commune, then briefly at his youngest daughter's place in Kuressaare. Children: Leontine Kriesenberg (Tammin) (1907–1929), Antonie Kriesenberg (Kare) (1909–1987), Helmi-Hildegard Kriesenberg (1911–1913), Lisette-Leida Lepandi (Nurmekann) (1915–2011) and Erna Lepandi (Iivaste) (1919–2005). Died on April 30, 1952 in Kuressaare at age 73 of lymphatic tumour. Buried at the Kudjape cemetery in Kuressaare.

Profession: worker (some time also coach).

Maria-Katharina Wander (Kriesenberg)
(#15, mother's mother's mother)

Born on March 30 (date on her tombstone is April 1), 1888 in Gorka manor, near Jamburg, in St. Petersburg gouvernment. Daughter of Johann Wander and Katta Saag. Moved to Kulgu near Narva with her parents before 1894. After marrying lived until July 1941 in Uusküla, Narva. Worked at the Kreenholm Manufacture since 1904 as a spooler (poolija). Married in 1906 in Narva Joosep Kriesenberg. After evacuating from Narva in 1944 she lived in Lüganuse commune, then at her youngest daughter's place in Kuressaare. Children: Leontine Kriesenberg (Tammin) (1907–1929), Antonie Kriesenberg (Kare) (1909–1987), Helmi-Hildegard Kriesenberg (1911–1913), Lisette-Leida Lepandi (Nurmekann) (1915–2011) and Erna Lepandi (Iivaste) (1919–2005). Died on April 7, 1965 in Kingissepa (Kuressaare) at age 77 of stomach tumour. Buried at the Kudjape cemetery in Kuressaare.

Profession: spooler.
Her place of birth was prpbably the settlement called Tikanpesä in Finnish and Tikopis in Russian about 7–8 kms east of Jamburg (now Kingissepp). It included a manor named Grafskaya Gorka ("Count's Hill") still in the 1930's and a nearby settlement is still called Veymarn – the landowner of the manor where my great-grandmother was born was a Count Lueders-Weymarn. There were many Estonian settlers in Tikanpesä/Tikopis, until moving back to Estonia (1920–22) or deportations to Siberia (1935 and 1941). The other places named Gorka in Ingermanland were rather distant from Jamburg.



4. Great-great-grandparents

Jürri Velberg
(#18, father's father's mother's father)

Born on May 2, 1844 at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish. Son of Jürry Velberg and Kert. Married January 10, 1865 in Juuru Liiso Obermann. Children: Mari Velberg (Põldmann) (1865 – after 1906), Liso (Liisa) Velberg (1871–1956), Leena Velberg (1882 – after 1911), Juuli Velberg (Kedik; 1885–1965), Jüri Velberg (1889–1916). Died on December 3, 1904 at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla at age 60.

Liso Obermann (Velberg)
(#19, father's father's mother's mother)

Born on November 12, 1844 at Oki-Jaani farm, Rasala village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Daughter of Jaan Obermann and Marri. Married January 10, 1865 in Juuru to Jürri Velberg. Children: Mari Velberg (Põldmann) (1865 – after 1906), Liso (Liisa) Velberg (1871–1956), Leena Velberg (1882 – after 1911), Juuli Velberg (Kedik; 1885–1965), Jüri Velberg (1889–1916). Died on January 18, 1922 at age 77.

Mihkel Roba (aka. Michel Robba)
(#20, father's mother's father's father)

Born March 3, 1841 in Käru, Vändra parish. Son of Michel Robba and Madli Blieder. Married ca. 1865 Eva Weltson. Bought the Täisalu farm in Paluküla, Juuru parish. Children: Madli Roba (Pallas) (1870 – ca. 1940), Hans Roba (1871–1886), Ekatariina (Katariina, Riina, Irina, Emmi) Roba (Meister, Saaliste) (1873 – after 1936), Anna Roba (Birkfelt, Meister, Lahevee) (1876 – after 1936), Jakob Roba (later Heinvee) (1880–1948), Jaan (Juhann) Roba (1882–1929) and Taavet Roba (1885–1920). Died in 1887 at Täisalu farm at age 45. At least 146 descendants in 6 generations.
Link to the family tree of his descendants: http://www.genealogy.com/users/v/a/l/Andres-Valdre/

Profession: forest ward of the Käru (Kerro) manor.

Eva Weltson (aka. Ewa Weldsohn) (Roba)
(#21, father's mother's father's mother)

Born on March 27, 1848 in Käru (possibly at Uuetoa farm), in Vändra parish. Daughter of Hans Weltson and Trino. Married ca. 1865 Mihkel Roba. Children: Madli Roba (Pallas) (1870 – ca. 1940), Hans Roba (1871–1886), Ekatariina (Katariina, Riina, Irina, Emmi) Roba (Meister, Saaliste) (1873 – after 1936), Anna Roba (Birkfelt, Meister, Lahevee) (1876 – after 1936), Jakob Roba (later Heinvee) (1880–1948), Jaan (Juhann) Roba (1882–1929) and Taavet Roba (1885–1920). Died June 18, 1922 at Täisalu farm at age 74. Buried at Lelle cemetery.

Juhhan Nietschmann/Nitschmann/Niitsmann (aka. Hiietaguse taat)
(#22, father's mother's mother's father)

Born December 22, 1838 at Ingliste (Haehl) manor, Juuru parish. Son of Jürri Nietschmann and Marri. Married January 12, 1874 in Juuru Tiina Lichfeld. Lived at Hiietaga (Hiietaguse) farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish. Children: Jaan Niitsmann (1874 – ca. 1935), Maria Niitsmann (Pommer; 1878–1961), Tiina Niitsmann (Valdmann; 1885–1956) and Ann Nietsmann (Roba) (1888–1913). Died September 11, 1913 at age 74. Buried probably at the old cemetery of Juuru.

Tiina Lichfeld (Nietschmann)
(#23, father's mother's mother's mother)

Born February 26, 1850 at Kutsari farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish. Daughter of Jaan Lichfeld and Kutsari Ann. Married January 12, 1874 in Juuru Juhan Nietschmann. Lived at Hiietaga (Hiietaguse) farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish. Children: Jaan Niitsmann (1874 – ca. 1935), Maria Niitsmann (Pommer; 1878–1961), Tiina Niitsmann (Valdmann; 1885–1956) and Ann Nietsmann (Roba) (1888–1913). Died April 19, 1916 at age 66 of stomach cancer. Buried probably at the old cemetery of Juuru.

Trifon Ivanov
(#24, mother's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1860 in St. Peterburg(?). Son of ? and ?. Married before 1880 in Narva(?) Anastasia .... At least one child: Pavel Ivanov (later Iivaste; 1881–1943). Died after 1881 in Narva(?).

Profession: worker(?)
Was raised up at an orphanage for the illegitimate children of the noblemen in St. Petersburg. In late 1860's, as a child, he was taken to work at the Kreenholm (Krähnholm) Manufacture in Narva (founded in 1858).

Anastasia ... (Ivanova)
(#25, mother's father's father's mother)

Married before 1880 in Narva(?) Trifon Ivanov. At least one child: Pavel Ivanov (later Iivaste; 1881–1943). Died after 1881 in Narva(?).

Simeon Ivanov
(#26, mother's father's mother's father)
Married Sofia .... Lived in Narva. At least one child: Jelizaveta Ivanova (married name also Ivanova, later Iivaste; 1887–1952).

Sofia ... (Ivanova)
(#27, mother's father's mother's mother)
Daughter of Joakim .... Married Simeon Ivanov. Lived in Narva. At least one child: Jelizaveta Ivanova (married name also Ivanova, later Iivaste; 1887–1952).

Hermann Krisenberg/Krisenberg
(#28, mother's mother's father's father)

Born August 8, 1828 (Old Style) in Järrandik, Äntu manor, Väike-Maarja parish. Son of Tönno Hermanssohn and Körtsi Otto Marri. Married December 27, 1869 Leno Tops. In 1878 lived in Vao commune. Children: Tönno Krisenberg (1870 – after 1910), Mart Krisenberg (1872–1875), Mihkel Krisenberg (1876 – after 1910), Joosep Kriesenberg (1878–1952), Marie Krisenberg (1883 – ?). Died December 6, 1884 in Kiltsi, Vao commune, Järva or Viru county, at age 56. (The commune was on the border of these two counties, sometimes was included in one, sometimes in the other.)

Profession: ex-sailor. (Apparently, he had been drafted to the navy when he was 20, and served there for 20 years.)

Leno Tops (Krisenberg)
(#29, mother's mother's father's mother)

Born December 21, 1844 (Old Style) in Rastla village, Äntu manor, Vao commune (Väike-Maarja parish). Daughter of Mart Tops and Marri. Married December 27, 1869 Hermann Krisenberg. Children: Tönno Krisenberg (1870 – after 1910), Mart Krisenberg (1872–1875), Mihkel Krisenberg (1876 – after 1910), Joosep Kriesenberg (1878–1952), Marie Krisenberg (1883 – ?). After husband's death in 1888 re-married, one child: Liisa ... (ca. 1890 – after 1924). Died September 30, 1896 at age 51.

Johann Wander
(#30, mother's mother's mother's father)

Born June 11, 1851 (Old Style) in Kosemkina, Russia (probably in St. Petersburg gouvernment). Son of Mihkel Wander and Leno Haas. Married April 3, 1883 in Narva (Aleksandri church) Katta Saag. In 1883 lived at Gorka manor near Jamburg in the St. Petersburg gouvernment, which belonged to a Count "Flüters" [or "Liderik"]. [The count can be identified as one of the von Lüders-Weymarn's: probably either Al. von Lüders-Weymarn (1856–1914), or his brother Th. von Lüders-Weymarn (1859–1927), and the manor as the one belonging to the Tikanpesä/Tikopis settlement], working as a forest warden. Between 1888 and 1894 moved to Kulgu near Narva where he worked as a caretaker and shoemaker. Meanwhile lived at Kreenholm, Narva. Was a passionate hunter and at a time raised hunting dogs. Children: Aleksander Wander (ca. 1885 – ca. 1917), Maria-Katharina Wander (Kriesenberg) (1888–1965), Miina Wander (Kongi; 1894–1970), Herman Wander (ca. 1895 – ca. 1900), Katariina Wander (Zimmermann; 1898–1975), Linda Wander (Mets; 1901–1990), Emilie Wander (Burmeister, Arusaar; 1903–1980) and three others who died very young. Died in autumn 1916 in Kulgu, Narva at age 65. Buried at the Siivertsi cemetry in Narva (grave destroyed in World War II). 69 descendants in 5 generations.

Professions: forest warden, caretaker, shoemaker.

Katta (Katarina, Catharina) Saag (Wander)
(#31, mother's mother's mother's mother)

Born May 8, 1863 (Old Style) in Kuksemaa commune (Jürgensberg, Kaggafer), Järva-Jaani parish, Järva county. Daughter of Kotlep Saag and Marri Pihlakas. In the early 1870's her family went to work at the Kreenholm Manufacture, where she became a weaver after her father's tragic death. Married April 3, 1883 in Narva (Aleksandri church) Johann Wander. In 1883 to about 1890 lived at Gorka manor (of Count "Liderik" [a Lüders-Weymarn]) near Jamburg in the St. Petersburg gouvernment; after this in Kulgu near Narva, working at the Kreenholm Manufacture as a weaver. Children: Aleksander Wander (ca. 1885 – ca. 1917), Maria-Katharina Wander (Kriesenberg) (1888–1965), Miina Wander (Kongi; 1894–1970), Herman Wander (ca. 1895 – ca. 1900), Katariina Wander (Zimmermann; 1898–1975), Linda Wander (Mets; 1901–1990), Emilie Wander (Burmeister, Arusaar; 1903–1980) and three others who died very young. Died in late October 1935 in Uusküla, Narva at age 71. Buried at the Siivertsi cemetry in Narva (grave destroyed in World War II).

Profession: weaver.
Later lived at her daughter Maria's place. Was paralysed for her 12 (or 8) last years, prayed every day for sooner death, in vain; this caused her daughter to adopt a quite negative view about religion.



5. Great-great-great-grandparents

Jürry Velberg
(#36, father's father's mother's father's father)

Born ca. 1806 at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla. Son of Ado Velberg and Marry. Married November 22, 1836 in Juuru Kert. Children: Jaan Velberg (1837–1837), Mart Velberg (1838 – ?), Marri Velberg (1841 – ?), Jürri Velberg (1844–1904), Hans Velberg (1846 – ?), Anno Velberg (1849–1854), Ann Velberg (Meinberg; 1852–1887), Leno Velberg (1855 – ?) and Jaan Velberg (1858 – ?). Died on December 29, 1862 at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla at age ca. 56.

Kert ... (Velberg)
(#37, father's father's mother's father's mother)

Born 1817 at Tõnno farm, Salutaguse village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Married November 22, 1836 in Juuru Jürry Velberg. Lived at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla. Children: Jaan Velberg (1837–1837), Mart Velberg (1838 – ?), Marri Velberg (1841 – ?), Jürri Velberg (1844–1904), Hans Velberg (1846 – ?), Anno Velberg (1849–1854), Ann Velberg (Meinberg; 1852–1887), Leno Velberg (1855 – ?) and Jaan Velberg (1858 – ?).

Jaan Obermann
(#38, father's father's mother's mother's father)

Born on December 22, 1801 at Oki farm, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Mats Obermann and Marri Awer. Married December 13, 1836 Marri. At least one child: Liso Obermann (Velberg) (1845–1922). Died on March 17, 1895 at Oki-Jaani farm, Kaiu manor at age 93.

Marri ... (Obermann)
(#39, father's father's mother's mother's mother)

Born on November 24, 1810 at Aidametsa farm, Kuimetsa manor, Juuru parish. Married December 13, 1836 Jaan Obermann. At least one child: Liso Obermann (Velberg) (1845–1922). Died on April 17, 1896 at Oki-Jaani farm, Kaiu manor at age 85.

Michel Robba (aka. Allikopajo perdi Michel)
(#40, father's mother's father's father's father)

Born June 21, 1806 at Allikopajo perdi farm, Käru manor. Son of Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans and Allikopajo Perti Ann. Married January 1, 1828 Madli Blieder. Lived at Möldre veski farm, Käru manor, and at Saksatoa farm in Tosikõnnu, Käru manor. Children: Hans Robba (1834 – after 1860), Marri Robba (Süsslich; 1837 – after 1859), Ann Robba (ca. 1839 – 1840), Mihkel Roba (Michel Robba) (1841–1887), Madli Robba and Jacob Robba (1844–1869).

Madli Blieder (Robba)
(#41, father's mother's father's father's mother)

Born May 3, 1804 (possibly at Tammekõnnu farm, Käru manor). Possibly daughter of Tammekenno Mart. Married January 1, 1828 Allikopajo Perdi Michel (later Michel Robba). Lived at Möldre veski farm, Käru manor, and at Saksatoa farm in Tosikõnnu, Käru manor. Children: Hans Robba (1834 – after 1860), Marri Robba (Süsslich; 1837 – after 1859), Ann Robba (ca. 1839 – 1840), Mihkel Roba (Michel Robba) (1841–1887), Madli Robba and Jacob Robba (1844–1869).

Hans Weltson/Weldsohn
(#42, father's mother's father's mother's father)

Born ca. 1810. Married Trino. At least two children: Rein Weltson (1844 – ?) and Eva Weltson (1848–1922).

Profession: miller.

Probably had siblings Ado (ca. 1805 – after 1845), Marri (Meister; 1811 – ?) and Jürri (ca. 1815 – ?).

Trino ... (aka. Rina ...) (Weltson)
(#43, father's mother's father's mother's mother)

Married Hans Weltson (Weldsohn). At least two children: Rein Weltson (1844 – ?) and Eva Weltson (1848–1922).

Jürri Nietschmann (aka. Kokka Jürri)
(#44, father's mother's mother's father's father)

Born 1792, probably in Hõreda manor, Juuru parish. Married Marri. In 1832 came from Hõreda manor to work at Ingliste manor. Children: Ann Nietschmann (Hekles; 1819/20 – after 1855), Tõnnis Nietschmann (1822 – after 1852), Mari Nietschmann (Kamb; 1824–1887), Jürri Nietschmann (1829–1875), Kai Nietschmann (1831 – ca. 1849), Madli Nietzmann (Weinberg; 1834–1914), and Juhhan Nietschmann (1838–1913). Died March 16, 1857 at Ingliste manor at age 65. At least 191 descendants in 7 generations.

Profession: cook at the Ingliste (Haehl) manor.

Marri ... (Nietschmann)
(#45, father's mother's mother's father's mother)

Born 1789, probably in Juuru parish. Married Jürri Nietschmann. Children: Ann Nietschmann (Hekles; 1819/20 – after 1855), Tõnnis Nietschmann (1822 – after 1852), Mari Nietschmann (Kamb; 1824–1887), Jürri Nietschmann (1829–1875), Kai Nietschmann (1831 – ca. 1849), Madli Nietzmann (Weinberg; 1834–1914), and Juhhan Nietschmann (1838–1913). Died 1875 at age 86.

Jaan Lichfeld
(#46, father's mother's mother's mother's father)

Born 1809 at Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Jüri Linder and Ann. In 1834 took the family name Lichfeld (after his native village, Lihu). Married Kutsari Ann. Lived at Kutsari farm, after 1875 Kangru farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish. Children: Marri Lichfeld (1834–1879), Jaan Lichfeld (Liefländer; 1840–1902), Ann Lichfeld (Koch; 1845 – after 1870), Tiina Lichfeld (Nietschmann) (1850–1916) and Leno Lichfeld (1852 – after 1857). Died on Sep 3, 1879 at Kangru farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish at age 70. Buried possibly at the old cemetery in Juuru.

Kutsari Ann (Lichfeld)
(#47, father's mother's mother's mother's mother)

Born ca. 1820 at Kutsari farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish. Married Jaan Lichfeld. Lived at Kutsari farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish. Children: Marri Lichfeld (1834–1879), Jaan Lichfeld (Liefländer; 1840–1902), Ann Lichfeld (Koch; 1845 – after 1870), Tiina Lichfeld (Nietschmann) (1850–1916) and Leno Lichfeld (1852 – after 1857). Died at Kutsari farm, Kädva village, Juuru parish. Buried possibly at the old cemetery in Juuru.

...
(#48, mother's father's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1830. Nobleman of St. Petersburg. Child (ca. 1860 – after 1881) was raised at an orphanage of bastards where was named Trifon Ivanov.

It is not completely impossible that Trifon Ivanov received his family name from his godfather, as it was the Russian custom with orphans. If the orphanage in question was the Nikolay Orphans' Institute (Nikolai-Waiseninstitut) in Gatshina, the godfather could have been (with very little but still existant probability) one Wassili Iwanow (1814 St. Petersburg – after 1889 St. Petersburg(?)). In 1834–39 W.I. studied at the faculty of philosophy of the Tartu (Dorpat) University; in 1839–49 he was a teacher at the Nikolai-Waiseninstitut in Gatshina; in 1850–60 he was a teacher at the Alexander Cadet Corps in Tsarskoye Selo, then at the private secondary schools (gymnasiums) of May and Wiedemanni in St. Petersburg; in 1869–80 he was a teacher at the Petri school in St. Petersburg.

Joakim ...
(#54, mother's father's mother's mother's father)

At least one child: Sofia ... (Ivanova).

Tönno Hermanssohn
(#56, mother's mother's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1800 in Lassinorm (his origin is indicated in his son's birth register as "von Lassinorm"). Son of Herman. In 1828 lived in Äntu, Väo manor, Väike-Maarja parish. Married Körtsi Otto Marri. At least one child: Hermann Krisenberg (1828–1884). Died before 1869.

Körtsi Otto Marri
(#57, mother's mother's father's father's mother)

Born in Roik. In 1828 lived in Äntu, Väo manor, Väike-Maarja parish. Daughter of Körtsi Otto. Married Tönno Hermanssohn. At least one child: Hermann Krisenberg (1828–1884). Died before 1869.

Mart Tops (aka. Topsi Mart)
(#58, mother's mother's father's mother's father)

Born September 18, 1801 in Rastla village, Äntu manor, Vao commune, Väike-Maarja parish. Son of Topsi Hans. Lived in Topsi farm, Rastla (Engdes Rahtla), Äntu, Väo manor, Väike-Maarja parish. Married Marri. At least one child: Leno Tops (1844–1896). Died on May 23, 1868 at age 66.

Marri ... (Tops)
(#59, mother's mother's father's mother's mother)

Married Mart Tops. Lived in Topsi farm, Rastla (Engdes Rahtla), Äntu, Väo manor, Väike-Maarja parish. At least one child: Leno Tops (1844–1896). Died on March 7, 1866.

Mihkel Wander
(#60, mother's mother's mother's father's father)

Born on January 10, 1813 in Simo farm, Reastvere (Restfer) manor, Laiuse parish. Son of Simo Mihkel and Leno. Married on June 11, 1839 in Laiuse Leno Haas. At least two children: Jaan Wander (1842 – after 1868) and Johann Wander (1851–1916). After 1842 and before 1851 moved to Kosemkina, probably in St. Petersburg gouvernment. In 1849 formally left the Laiuse congregation; in 1863 joined the Narva Peetri congregation. Died after 1871 and before 1883, probably in Narva.

Leno Haas (Wander)
(#61, mother's mother's mother's father's mother)

Born on December 24, 1819 in Kalma farm, Reastvere (Restfer) manor, Laiuse parish. Daughter of Andres Haas and Kai. Before marriage lived in Simuna parish. Married on June 11, 1839 in Laiuse Mihkel Wander (in its record, her age is given as 22 years). At least two children: Jaan Wander (1842 – after 1868) and Johann Wander (1851–1916). Died after 1871 and before 1883, probably in Narva.

Kotlep (Gottlieb) Saag
(#62, mother's mother's mother's mother's father)

Born on May 2, 1832 in Kuksemaa, Järva-Jaani parish. Son of Jürri Saag and Maia. Married May 12, 1858 in Järva-Jaani Marri Pihlakas. At least three children: a son (who worked at Kreenholm before 1869, or maybe it was Kotlep's brother), Maia Saag (1859 – after 1871) and Katta Saag (Wander) (1863–1935). Lived in 1863 in Kuksemaa commune (Jürgensberg, Kaggafer). Went to work at Kreenholm Manufacture in Narva in 1871. Died in an accident at the Kreenholm Manufacture, Narva in ca. 1875 in an industrial accident: he was caught by a turbine while lubricating it, was killed instantly and his body was reduced to small bits.

Profession: bath heater, mechanic.

Marri Pihlakas (Saag)
(#63, mother's mother's mother's mother's mother)

Born on December 28, 1838 in Kuksemaa, Järva-Jaani parish. Daughter of Jürri Pihlakas. Married May 12, 1858 in Järva-Jaani Kotlep Saag. At least three children: a son (who worked at Kreenholm before 1869, or maybe it was Kotlep's brother),, Maia Saag (1859 – after 1871) and Katta Saag (Wander) (1863–1935). Lived in 1863 in Kuksemaa commune (Jürgensberg, Kaggafer). Died before 1883, probably in Narva.



6. 4th great-grandparents

Ado Velberg
(#72, father's father's mother's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1785 at Venedepõlve farm, Paluküla, Juuru parish. Son of Venedepõlve Jürry. Married Marry. Children: Jürry Velberg (ca. 1806 – 1862) and Lehno Velberg.

Marry ... (Velberg)
(#73, father's father's mother's father's father's mother)

Married Ado Velberg. Children: Jürry Velberg (ca. 1806 – 1862) and Lehno Velberg.

Mats Obermann
(#76, father's father's mother's mother's father's father)

Born in 1778 at Oki farm, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Oki Jaan and Tio. Married Marri Awer. Children: Jaan Obermann (1801–1895) and Kai Obermann (Hermburg; 1804–1880). Died in 1847 at Oki farm at age ca. 69.

Marri Awer (Obermann)
(#77, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother)

Born in 1781. Daughter of Jaan Awer and Kai. married Mats Obermann. Children: Jaan Obermann (1801–1898) and Kai Obermann (Hermburg; 1804–1880). Died in 1847 at Oki farm at age ca. 66.

Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans
(#80, father's mother's father's father's father's father)

Born September 12, 1767 at Immaste farm, Käru manor. Son of Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart and Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann. Married December 24, 1789 Allikopajo Perti Ann. Lived at Allikopajo Perti farm, Käru manor. Children: Allikopajo perdi Jakob (1793 – ?), Allikopajo perdi Mats (1793–1793), Allikopajo perdi Mart (1795–1802), Allikopajo perdi Jaan (1797–1797), Allikopajo perdi Anno (1798–1801), Hans Robba (1801 – after 1836), Allikopajo perdi Madli (Patzig; 1804 – after 1845), Allikopajo perdi Jürri (1805 – ?), Allikopajo perdi Liso (1805 – ?) and Michel Robba (1806 – after 1844). Died March 10, 1833 at age 65. Buried at Käru cemetery.

Allikopajo Perti Ann
(#81, father's mother's father's father's father's mother)

Born January 4, 1764 at Allikopajo Perti farm, Käru manor. Daughter of Allikopajo Pert and Marre. Married December 24, 1789 Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans. Lived at Allikopajo Perti farm, Käru manor. Children: Allikopajo perdi Jakob (1793 – ?), Allikopajo perdi Mats (1793–1793), Allikopajo perdi Mart (1795–1802), Allikopajo perdi Jaan (1797–1797), Allikopajo perdi Anno (1798–1801), Hans Robba (1801 – after 1836), Allikopajo perdi Madli (Patzig; 1804 – after 1845), Allikopajo perdi Jürri (1805 – ?), Allikopajo perdi Liso (1805 – ?) and Michel Robba (1806 – after 1844).

Tammekenno (Tammekännu) Mats
(#82, father's mother's father's father's mother's father)

Born July 19, 1765 at Tammekenno (Tammekännu) farm, Käru manor. Son of Tammekenno Mart and Mai. Married November 14, 1792 Saare Ann. Lived at Tammekännu farm near Käru. Children: Hans (1795–1801), Mai (1796 – ?), Marri (1798 – ?), Ann (1801 – ?), Madli Blieder (Robba; 1804 – after 1844), Anno (1807–1811) and Mats (1810–1811). Died on November 8, 1824, at age 59.

Saare Ann
(#83, father's mother's father's father's mother's mother)

Born September 28, 1767 in Käru. Daughter of Hans and Ann. Married November 14, 1792 Tammekenno Mats. Lived at Tammekännu farm near Käru. Children: Hans (1795–1801), Mai (1796 – ?), Marri (1798 – ?), Ann (1801 – ?), Madli Blieder (Robba; 1804 – after 1844), Anno (1807–1811) and Mats (1810–1811).

Jürri Linder, earlier probably Mihkle Jürri
(#92, father's mother's mother's mother's father's father)

Born 1779 probably at Oki Jaani farm, Rasala village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Lived at Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Married Ann. In 1834 took the family name Linder. Children: Jüri Linder (ca. 1807 – much after 1870), Jaan Lichfeld (1809–1879), Hans Linder (1818–1886), Mats Linder (ca. 1822 – after 1875) and Madli Linder (Aver; 1826–1882). Died 1860 at Mihkle farm, Lihu at age ca. 81. Buried possibly at the old cemetery in Juuru. At least 413 known descendants in 7 generations.

Before marrying Ann was the farmhand at Mihkle.
The farmers of Lihu had chosen their future family names while being at a herring market a few weeks earlier than the names were given (April 26, 1834). The market took place in Pärnu, then in the Livonian gouvernment (what is now South Estonia and North Latvia; Russian: Lifljandskaja guvernja) where the peasants had received family names earlier than those in the Estonian gouvernment (what is now North Estonia; Russian: Estljandskaja guvernja), already in 1826. They particularily liked the names Linder and Limberg (names of two herring salesmen). Jürri's son Jaan did not know about his father's and brothers' plan (as he was living in another place), and took a different name, Lichfeld in honour of his native village, Lihu (his son also used the variation Liefländer).

Ann
(#93, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother)

Born 1793 at Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish. Daughter of Matz and Jüri Ann. Married Mihkle Jürri (later Jürri Linder). In 1834 received the family name Linder. Children: Jüri Linder (ca. 1807 – much after 1870), Jaan Lichfeld (1809–1879), Hans Linder (1818–1886), Mats Linder (ca. 1822 – after 1875) and Madli Linder (Aver; 1826–1882). Died 1847 at Mihkle farm, Lihu at age ca. 54. Buried possibly at the old cemetery in Juuru.

Herman
(#112, mother's mother's father's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1770. At least one child: Tönno Hermanssohn (ca. 1800 – before 1869).

Körtsi Otto
(#112, mother's mother's father's father's mother's father)

Born ca. 1770. At least one child: Körtsi Otto Marri (? – before 1869).



7. 5th great-grandparents

Venedepõlve Jürry
(#144, father's father's mother's father's father's father's father)

Born 1755. Married Kadri. Lived at Venedepõlve (Venepõllu, Venepõlve) farm, in Paluküla, Juuru parish. Son of Wennede-Põllo Hans. Children: Mart Velberg (ca. 1780 – after 1819), Jürri Velberg (1781 – before 1849), Ado Velberg (ca. 1785 – after ca. 1820), Thomas Velberg (ca. 1789 – after 1849), and Jaan Velberg (ca. 1793 – before 1849).

Oki Jaan
(#152, father's father's mother's mother's father's father's father)

Born in 1750 at Oki farm, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Married Tio. At least one child: Mats Obermann (1778–1847). Died in 1824 at Oki farm at age ca. 74.

Tio
(#153, father's father's mother's mother's father's father's mother)

Born in 1755. married Oki Jaan. At least one child: Mats Obermann (1778–1847). Died in 1834 at Oki farm at age ca. 79.

Jaan Awer
(#154, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father)

Born on June 22, 1753 at Liho Jürri farm, Lihu village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Jürri Liho'lt and Kert. Married Kai. At least one child: Marri Awer (1781–1847). Died in 1840 at Pakoma farm, Lihu village at age ca. 87.

Kai (Awer)
(#155, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's mother)

Born in 1758. married Jaan Awer. At least one child: Marri Awer (1781–1847).

Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart
(#160, father's mother's father's father's father's father's father)

Born January 3, 1742 at Linno farm, Linno village, Käru manor. Son of Kõrbia Linno Matz and Kas(t)na Jürri Madli. Married November 26, 1766 Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann. Lived at Immaste farm near Käru. Children: Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans (1767–1833), Immaste Jahn (1768 – after 1796), Immaste Madli (1770–1788), Immaste (Arro) Matz (1772–1819), Immaste Mardi (Warreta) Mart (1774 – before 1830), Immaste Jürri (1776–1776), Immaste Liso (Bergert; 1777–1853), Mikkel Robba (1779–1863), Immaste Ado (1781 – ?), Tomas Robba (1783–1853), Immaste Ann (1786 – ?), Tõnnis Robba (1789–1869) and Peter Robba (1792 – ?). Died on May 7, 1827 at age 85. Buried at Käru cemetery.

Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann
(#161, father's mother's father's father's father's father's mother)

Born March 8, 1744. Daughter of Eiliste (Jõe) Jahn and Liso. Married November 26, 1766 Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart. Lived at Immaste farm near Käru. Children: Immaste (Allikopajo perdi) Hans (1767–1833), Immaste Jahn (1768 – after 1796), Immaste Madli (1770–1788), Immaste (Arro) Matz (1772–1819), Immaste Mardi (Warreta) Mart (1774 – before 1830), Immaste Jürri (1776–1776), Immaste Liso (Bergert; 1777–1853), Mikkel Robba (1779–1863), Immaste Ado (1781 – ?), Tomas Robba (1783–1853), Immaste Ann (1786 – ?), Tõnnis Robba (1789–1869) and Peter Robba (1792 – ?). Died on January 16, 1815 at age 70. Buried at Käru cemetery.

Allikopajo Pert
(#162, father's mother's father's father's father's mother's father)

Born ca. 1735. Married Marre. Lived at Allikapajo Perdi farm, Käru manor. Children: Allikopajo Perti Ann (1764 – after 1806), Allikopajo Perti (Arro) Anno (1779–1805) and Allikopajo perdi Liso (1789 – after 1828).

Marre
(#163, father's mother's father's father's father's mother's mother)

Married Allikopajo Pert. Lived at Allikapajo Perdi farm, Käru manor. Children: Allikopajo Perti Ann (1764 – after 1806), Allikopajo Perti (Arro) Anno (1779–1805) and Allikopajo perdi Liso (1789 – after 1828).

Tammekenno (Tammekännu) Mart
(#164, father's mother's father's father's mother's father's father)

Born October 17, 1717 at Tammekenno (Tammekännu) farm, Käru manor. Son of Tammekenno Thomas from his first marriage. Married Mai. Lived at Tammekännu farm near Käru. Children: Jaack (1747–1789), Mai (ca. 1749 – after 1774), Mart (1755–1824), Ado (1757–1795), Eva (1760–1807), Marri (1762–1767) and Mats (1765–1824). Died on December 10, 1779 in Käru, at age 62.

Mai
(#165, father's mother's father's father's mother's father's mother)

Born ca. 1720 in Türi (Turgel) parish. married Tammekenno Mart. Lived at Tammekännu farm near Käru. Children: Jaack (1747–1789), Mai (ca. 1749 – after 1774), Mart (1755–1824), Ado (1757–1795), Eva (1760–1807), Marri (1762–1767) and Mats (1765–1824).

Hans
(#166, father's mother's father's father's mother's mother's father)

Born ca. 1733. Married March 12, 1754 Ann. Lived at Saare farm near Käru. Children: Marri (1755 – ?), Jürri (1758 – ?), Hans (1761 – after 1799), Jaan (1764 – after 1810) and Ann (1767 – after 1810). Died on February 22, 1800 at age ca. 67.

Ann
(#167, father's mother's father's father's mother's mother's mother)

Born ca. 1725. Married March 12, 1754 Saare Hans. Lived at Saare farm near Käru. Children: Marri (1755 – ?), Jürri (1758 – ?), Hans (1761 – after 1799), Jaan (1764 – after 1810) and Ann (1767 – after 1810).

Matz
(#186, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's father)

Born 1755 in Lihu village, Juuru parish. Son of Liho Michel and Marri. Married Jüri Ann. Lived at Mäe Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish. At least one child: Ann (1793–1847). Died 1833 at age 78.

Jüri Ann
(#187, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's mother)

Born 1755 at Jüri farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish. After the death of her first husband married Matz in ca. 1790. Lived at Mäe Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish. At least one child with Matz: Ann (1793–1847).



8. 6th great-grandparents

Wennede-Põllo Hans
(#288, father's father's mother's father's father's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1720. Lived at Wennede-Põllo (Venedepõlve, Venepõlve) farm, Paluküla, Juuru/Rapla parish. Possibly the son of Wenne Pello Mick who lived in Paluküla in 1725. At least one child: Venedepõlve Jürry (ca. 1750 – after 1800). At least 527 descendants in 10 generations.

Jürri Liho'lt
(#308, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father)

Born in 1690 at Mäe farm, Liho (Lihu) village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Jaan Liho'lt and Madle; brother of Michel Liho'lt. Married Kert. At least one child: Jaan Awer (1753–1840). Died at Liho Jürri farm, Lihu village (same farm where he was born, now named after him).

Kert
(#309, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father's mother)

Born in 1710. Married Jürri Liho'lt. At least one child: Jaan Awer (1753–1840).

Kõrbia Linno Matz (aka. Korbi Linno Matz)
(#320, father's mother's father's father's father's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1711 in Käru. Son of Kõrbja Linno Hans. Married December 8, 1734 Kas(t)na Jürri Madli. Lived at Linno farm, Kõrbja village, Käru. Children: Kõrbia Linno Lieso (1735 – ?), Kõrbia Linno Ann (1737–1787), Kõrbia Linno (Alle seppa) Jürri (1739–1803), Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart (1742–1827), Kõrbia Linno Hans (1742–1742), Kõrbia Linno Marri (1744 – after 1776), Kõrbia Linno Michel (1748–1818), Kõrbia Linno Elts (1752–1753), Kõrbia Linno Maz (Mats; 1755 – after 1785). Died on February 19, 1782 at age ca. 71. Buried at Käru cemetery.

Kas(t)na Jürri Madli
(#321, father's mother's father's father's father's father's father's mother)

Born ca. 1710. Daughter of Kas(t)na Jürri. Married December 8, 1734 Kõrbia Linno Matz. Lived at Linno farm, Kõrbja village, Käru. Children: Kõrbia Linno Lieso (1735 – ?), Kõrbia Linno Ann (1737–1787), Kõrbia Linno (Alle seppa) Jürri (1739–1803), Kõrbia Linno (Immaste) Mart (1742–1827), Kõrbia Linno Hans (1742–1742), Kõrbia Linno Marri (1744 – after 1776), Kõrbia Linno Michel (1748–1818), Kõrbia Linno Elts (1752–1753), Kõrbia Linno Maz (Mats; 1755 – after 1785). Died on July 3, 1773 at age ca. 60. Buried at Käru cemetery.

Eiliste (Jae/Jõe) Jahn
(#322, father's mother's father's father's father's father's mother's father)

Born 1711 in Käru (probably at Eiliste farm). Married Liso. Lived at Jae (Jõe) farm, Käru manor. Children: Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann (1844–1815) and Jõe Jaan (1748 – after 1794).

Liso
(#323, father's mother's father's father's father's father's mother's mother)

Born 1714. Married Eiliste (Jae/Jõe) Jahn. Lived at Jae (Jõe) farm, Käru manor. Children: Eiliste (Jõe) Jaani Ann (1844–1815) and Jõe Jaan (1748 – after 1794).

Tammekenno/Tammekännu Thomas
(#328, father's mother's father's father's mother's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1695 in Käru. Lived at Tammekenno (Tammekännu) farm, Käru manor. Married three times: in ca. 1716 an unknown lady, with whom had two children: Mart (1717–1779) and Madli (ca. 1721 – 1784); in ca. 1733, Mai (ca. 1710 – 1751), with whom had five children: Ado (1734 – ?), Ann (1737 – ?), Mai (1740 – ?), Jürgen (1742 – ?) and Eva (1748 – after 1779); on Nov 17, 1751, Ello (ca. 1709 – 1790), with whom had no children. Died April 4, 1754 in Käru at age ca. 59.

Liho Michel
(#372, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father)

Born 1720 at Mäe farm, Lihu village, Kaiu manor, Juuru parish. Son of Liho Mäe Jaan and Madle; brother of Liho Jürri. Married Marri. Founded the Mihkli farm in Lihu which he separated from his father's (Mäe, later Jüri farm). At least one child: Matz (1755–1833). Died 1799 at Mäe Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish at age ca. 79.

Marri
(#373, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's father's mother)

Born 1718. Married Liho Michel. At least one child: Matz (1755–1833). Died at Mäe Mihkle farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish.



9. 7th great-grandparents

Liho Mäe Jaan
(#616, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father's father)
(#744, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father's father)

Born 1656 possibly in Lihula (but more probably this supposition is a modern derivation of the name Lihu: this placename is not unique in the area which makes the rather remote Lihula as Jaan's birthplace very dubious). According to oral tradition, settled to Lihu in the late 17th century (the village is ancient, first mentioned as Leiusi in Liber Census Daniae in 1241 (this book was compiled in 1219–20)). Lived at Mäe farm (later named Jüri farm after his son Jürri) in Lihu. Married Madle. At least two children: Liho Jürri (1690 – after 1753) and Liho Michel (1720–1799). Died July 16, 1738 at Mäe farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish at age ca. 82. At least 505 descendants in 10 generations.

Madle
(#617, father's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father's mother)
(#745, father's mother's mother's mother's father's mother's father's father's mother)

Born 1666. Married Liho Mäe Jaan. At least two children: Liho Jürri (1690 – after 1753) and Liho Michel (1720–1799). Died at Mäe farm, Lihu village, Juuru parish.

Kõrbia Linno Hans
(#640, father's mother's father's father's father's father's father's father's father)

Born ca. 1692 in Käru. Lived at Linno farm, Kõrbja village, Käru. At least two children: Kõrbia Linno Matz (ca. 1711 – 1782) and Kõrbja Linno Seppa Hans (ca. 1720 – 1783). Died on March 23, 1772 at age 80. At least 1456 descendants in 11 generations.

Kas(t)na Jürri
(#642, father's mother's father's father's father's father's father's mother's father)

Born ca. 1680. Lived in Kastna near Lelle. At least one child: Kas(t)na Jürri Madli (ca. 1710 – 1773).



My sincere thanks to the geneaologist Ants Härma for his massive information on families around Käru and Paluküla, esp. on the Robba and Velberg families; Helju Linder for the information on families in Lihu and their descendants; Marta Rikas and Aare Heinvee for the information on Mihkel Roba's descendants; my grandmother Erna Iivaste and her cousin Otto Kongi for the information on their ancestors; and I.A.Dubrovina from Kotlas for the information about the Limenda hospital in wartime; plus several other relatives who have provided valuable information.